Your Bold Solutions, a Follow-up

Recently we posted a blog to the MSI community called Your Bold Solutions.  We invited the MSI community to help us find a solution to please both the customers who want a consistent everyday blend like Pike Place™ Roast and those who want variety and a “bolder” flavor profile.

Here are the ideas you shared:

 

The brewed coffee team placed these suggestions into four groups.  We want to share where we’re at on these bold solutions.

1. Low Tech or High Tech – Faster Single Cup
We have engaged with our equipment research and development team to evaluate both low-tech and high tech solutions for quicker (on demand) brewing.  We have and will continue to test both solutions in multiple markets now through March 2009.  Our objective is to define a path forward for rollout by the end of September 2009.

2. Smaller Batch Sizes or Hold Times

The launch of Pike Place™ Roast was more than just a new everyday coffee.  It also included changing the hold times to no more than 30 minutes as well as optimizing the batch sizes.  We did extensive taste testing to land on a 30 minute hold time and optimized our equipment to handle smaller batch sizes for lower volume brewing.  That being said, we have no current plans to hold coffee for longer and current equipment capabilities prevent going to smaller batch sizes.  Hence, the priority of exploring single cup brewing as noted above.

3. Pike Place™ Roast as Rotational or Mild Offering

This is an interesting idea.  When we launched Pike Place™ Roast, we had data suggesting that our customers were looking for a more consistent experience in their brewed coffee at Starbucks.  That said, we have heard your comments and are asking some core customers what they think about the program.  (NOTE:  in retrospect, this last sentence could have been worded better.  As you see in the comments below, it gave the impression that there were "MSI customers" who were somehow different than "core customers".  That's obviously not the case as MSI customers are core customers!  We know that quantitatively from the home page polls we've done as well qualitatively from simply reading your comments.  This is sbx_MATT: sorry for the bad choice of words and thank you very much for calling out our mistake.  What was meant by that sentence is that given the far reaching implications of this proposal, we need to be thorough in our data gathering.  MSI is a great place for direct and primary feedback from core customers, but it makes sense for us to use all mechanisms at our disposal.  We're doing that now, and we're on the hook for reporting the findings back to you).

4. Signage/Marketing
Great idea!  We have heard loud and clear that some customers feel they don’t know they have a choice of brewed coffees at Starbucks.  Starting in January, we will be launching more customer facing messaging around the choice of Pike Place™ Roast and the bold coffee offering.  This includes menu boards and other customer facing marketing that should help both the customer and Starbucks barista to better understand and execute the bold coffee offering.

Thank you for all of your suggestions.  We’ll keep you posted on our progress.

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Melody13
12/24/2008 7:29 PM

**[quote=RachelAntalek]

3. Pike Place™ Roast as Rotational or Mild Offering

This is an interesting idea.  When we launched Pike Place™ Roast, we had data suggesting that our customers were looking for a more consistent experience in their brewed coffee at Starbucks.  That said, we have heard your comments and are asking some core customers what they think about the program. [/quote]**

I'm very confused by this statement, "  We ... are asking some core customers what they think about the program."

That's pretty insulting to MSI.  So you haven't heard from core customers through MSI?  If you're putting so much stock in this "core customers" who are these specially selected people?  I cannot imagine that you haven't heard from your true core customers here.  Take a look at your user Since92:  That gentleman in Chicago WAS a two to three times per day Starbucks customer.   Cardipup in Pennsylvania, is also at least a daily Starbucks customer.  And if KJMinton didn't live in such a rural city, she'd be at Starbucks ALL the time I bet!  These are people you sent a Gold Card to early.  I too consider myself to be a "core customer".  You've heard from many of us at MSI that are super regulars but still you've selected out some mysterious "core customers" from where?  I'm truly insulted.  

And there are no reassurances at all in this blog entry that I will be able to find something OTHER than Pike Place Roast on the brew until 5 pm once we're in 2009.

cardipup
12/25/2008 11:17 AM

I agree with Melody here.  I believe that the people who post on MSI are people who should be considered "core customers".  We are the ones who visit Starbucks on a daily basis- sometimes 2-3 times a day.  We are the ones whose buying habits caused Starbucks to give us the gold cards early.  We are the ones who care about the company enough to post our ideas here, as well as where we see the company failing in areas.  Offering bold choice is one of those areas.  Personally, I don't see how increasing signage is going to help- those of us who are bold drinkers know about its availability (or lack thereof).

As Melody brought up, what is going to happen once Christmas Blend is gone?  Will there still be a bold choice until 5pm.  Or are we left to looking to a competitor after noon?

brodave
12/25/2008 10:13 PM

I am very sorry that Starbucks is so terribly clueless and therefore is letting same-store sales continue to plummet.

Regardless, I wish all of my MSI friends (particularly Breve,  Melody, UrbanVoy, Steve1 and SBUX Matt) a Merry Christmas and a Wonderful New Year.

Sincerely,

David

Melody13
12/26/2008 7:41 AM

Familiarity breeds contempt. Starbucks knows who we are (and very much knows who I am), and knows what our opinions are, and so they've lost interest in us.  They've gone off to find some new "core customers" who are more interesting than those of us at MSI.  I'd be shocked if this is how Microsoft behaves with their MVPs.

mguiste
12/26/2008 12:15 PM

Melody and cardipup:

Thanks for calling out a mistake in the note above.   I've added a note to Section 3 above that hopefully clarifies that statement a little better.

It was simply a poor word choice on our part because it gave a mistaken impression.   Thank you for being vocal and giving us a chance to fix that.

mguiste
12/26/2008 12:15 PM

brodave:  thank you so much for your holiday greetings!  They are appreciated and same to you and yours.

Melody13
12/26/2008 1:08 PM

Great. How can I be a part of your OTHER "core customer" group?

Eliot
12/26/2008 1:25 PM

I'm very glad that there is consideration for some bolder coffees. As soon as Pike Place came out, I switched to Americanos all the time instead of having the opportunity to try bolder coffees. I also bought my own french press and grinder so I could continue enjoying the flavors of the great coffees Starbucks roasts.

How does the roll out of the Clover machines help in this situation? I have been hoping for Clovers to spread a little bit faster, but it seems they are stalled a bit. I would think the Clover would fit the needs of more interesting coffees for regular customers.

purple1
12/26/2008 3:07 PM

I am glad that changes are being made for coffee drinkers, however, there is still the question of why you have not given those of us tea drinkers some of the same benefits such as free refills, etc. Are we not considered your core customer? Are only coffee drinkers core customers? It is a shame if that is the case. I consider myself a regular at SB and frequent post on MSI. When will you listen to us?

48381dj
12/26/2008 10:29 PM

Nice to see that we haven't lost steam in our journey to finding a brewed coffee platform that can please as many of our brewed coffee enthusiasts (myself included) as we can.

I didn't read the initial brewed coffee thread, so I am confused as to how my rotational coffee system idea got onto to the list that Rachel posted. The rotational coffee system is a solution that greatly, if not completely, reduces the inconvenience a customer experiences when they order a brewed coffee when the batch of coffee has expired. I heard through the grapevine that there are stores testing the idea!

Rachel and brewed coffee team, please reach out if you any questions regarding "The System" as we call it at my store. You have my e-mail address.

Melody13
12/26/2008 10:44 PM

IronChef, I'm glad you can stay so upbeat. I feel as though the core of the business is on the back-burner with zero assurances that I (and others like me) will be able to get my bold drip coffee at 3 p.m. Even worse, the gossip out there is disappointing for the bold drip coffee drinker. They have my email address too. ;)

brodave
12/27/2008 12:48 AM

Melody,

I am truly sorry that you have been hurt by the realization that the MSI site is not what it was advertised to be. Please don't give up. Continue to press forward.

I hope that the New Year brings you health and great happiness.

ArtM
12/27/2008 11:38 AM

Why are you making this so hard?

You can do whatever you want with Pike.   It does not matter.

What matters is the bold.  Bring back bold all the time and rotate it weekly.

Also bring back bold decaf.  dump the Pike Decaf.

HAVE YOU EVER TASTED VERONA DECAF?  AWESOME!!!

You are a company that produces great coffees and HIDES THEM.

I now know more people than ever who hate Starbucks coffee.  They have absolutely no idea that you produce great coffee.

WHY ARE YOU MAKING THIS SO HARD?

MATT YOU ABSOLUTELY DO NOT NEED TO "GATHER DATA"!!!

Pike is really designed for a special taste, closer to Dunkin Donuts, and that MAY be a real audience that you want to serve.  Do it.

Just don't screw over your original fans.

Art

ps:  These days I only go to Starbucks for the space.  That is, when I need to get some work done or internet access, or meet a friend.  I buy the beverages and sandwiches when necessary.  Your firm has dissolved into a "space" product:  the main thing that you offer is space.  That is nothing to sneeze at.  Frankly, I don't know what I would do WITHOUT Starbucks space to hang out in, especially in big cities.  The tragedy is that you also used to be a great coffeehouse.

cardipup
12/27/2008 5:04 PM

ArtM, great post.  I absolutely agree, they are making this too hard, when it shouldn't be.  It's simple, brew Pike Place all day for one audience, brew a bold all day for bold drinkers. Brew the bold in smaller batches if necessary.  Then, everyone would be happy.  It's simple really.

msi_sea
12/27/2008 7:01 PM

Dear Rachel Antalek and Colleagues,

You know, Art is absolutely correct.

Why is this hard? Further, why is anything reasonable your customer wants difficult to provide?

Let's take this example: people want a bold option. Honestly, I miss the coffee of the day, which went to the coffee of the week... now we have the coffee of the century, it feels like. This website is FULL of folks who want a bold rotated during all hours a store is open.

I say this: your company is floundering. Your employees are unhappy (what with the labor cuts and all). Your customers (and decent employees) are defecting to your competition or just all-in-all quitting Starbucks because of economic hardship. It's time Starbucks realize that without the customer, the company's worthless. You're a retail food service industry and you all need to act like it. It's time Starbucks understand that it's not a company above putting the customer first. That, in this case, means putting a bold coffee in rotation (preferably in the "-of-the-day" vein) and get it over with. None of this nonsense with "research" and charts and all of that.

Frankly, too, what's even more insulting is that your frontline employees are literally BEGGING for additional hours to cover BASIC things in life like, you know, rent and electricity, and this company is paying people to run this website and come up with "genius ideas" and create useless charts, spending money that could have been invested in creating an ACTUAL, TANGIBLE better experience for the customer and giving the folks who actually, you know, work a chance to earn a decent living. Here, let me make it easy for you: You all created this site to see what the customer wants. You have it now. No charts needed, no time spent on 'research'.... Put a bold option by New Years Day in all stores. There. You can check that off the list.

As with all other "ideas" from your ****CUSTOMERS**** on this site, make them happen and quit the "research." It's absolutely insulting to the customer.

For the record, I am a former customer at this point and am generously visiting your competition daily, beefing up their sales and not your own.

Breve
12/28/2008 8:27 AM

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH! SAME RETRORIC DIFFERENT THREAD!

Breve
12/28/2008 9:27 AM

Meant "Rhetoric" sorry for the mistake!

UrbanVoy
12/28/2008 10:26 AM

Thanks for the holiday shout Brodave and Happy Holidays to All - (especially the MSI regulars).

I agree with ArtM and msi_sea. Why make this hard?

Or put differently, why is Starbucks trying so hard to keep Pike Place as the flagship store coffee?

It's clear that while some people like or tolerate it, many absolutely hate it. That makes it a poor choice for a flag ship brew. You can't please everyone, but if so many people dislike it, something is wrong.

While any or all of these Bucketed Solutions might make the situation better, perhaps Starbucks should go back to the brewing drawing board and come up with a more palatable mild replacement for Pike Place.

One further suggestion on #1

Since Starbucks has a partnership with Tassimo, what about using their single cup system or something similar to brew bold on demand.

Breve
12/29/2008 7:19 AM

Hey Matt, maybe you and the great leaders of $tarbucks should re-read this thread:

mystarbucksidea.force.com/ideaView

Are any of these people "core customers"?

nomelon
12/29/2008 7:40 PM

Make it simple:  Brew PPR as single serve/on demand!  

Your statement above:  "When we launched Pike Place™ Roast, we had data suggesting that our customers were looking for a more consistent experience in their brewed coffee at Starbucks. "  What in that data set led from 'customer desire for more consistent brewed coffee' to 'SBUX will brew and serve Dunkin Donuts-like coffee all day, every day'?  I fail to see that leap of faith, unless the market research panels skewed toward a large base of DD/McD's customers who do not regularly visit SBUX for brewed coffee, and the move to PPR was intended to draw that market segment into SBUX stores.

To MSI readers/posters - ostensibly your "core customers" - PPR is an unequivocal failure as the all day, every day brewed coffee offering.  Dark roast coffees should return to their rightful status as all day, every day brewed coffees.

I seldom order any type of coffee at SBUX, the exception being an extremely vile cup of Christmas Blend I bought at the SBUX near gate A13 on 12/26/2008 - PPR might have tasted OK, compared to that evil sludge masquerading as "coffee". (Yeah, it's the airport, it's a licensed store, blah blah.)

For Peet's sake (pun intended!), follow Caribou's example and offer a light roast, a dark roast, and a decaf daily! Caribou almost always offers 3 different varietals or blends for drip coffee - I have seldom seen two of the brewed coffee offerings being the same varietal/blend. In my experience, Caribou doesn't have to dump urns full of undrunk brewed coffee nearly as much as I seem to encounter SBUX employees dumping urns full of undrunk PPR.

@camspi
12/30/2008 1:04 AM

I am a fan of having a bold all day, and keeping pike place roast as our mild until 12 pm, unless requested otherwise by a customer.

Starbucks, everywhere I read, most of the customers with "discriminating tastes" I hear from do not like Pike Place Roast.  

Make a decision... the right decision... and stick with it.  simple solution, in my opinion.  I am consistently let down by this company's lack of action to solve this problem.

Listen

Acknowledge

TAKE ACTION!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Thank the person for bringing up the issue

Encourage them to continue coming back

New Coke
12/30/2008 8:27 AM

Spot on NoMelon.

Caribou has solved this problem in a very simple way. No technology.  No fancy equipment(though i did enjoy a great cup brewed via Clover on a trip to Seattle).  No charts.  No feedback groups.    Follow the Caribou model by brewing a bold, a mild(Pike Place... if you must), and a decaf(rotational) ALL DAY LONG!    

I've been a Starbucks fan for many years.  The intensity of the coffee could simply not be matched.   But now, given the option between a Starbucks Americano(my only bold option in the afternoon) and Caribou, I pick Caribou.

Turn lemons into lemonade Starbucks, use this as an opportunity to market "Original Starbucks Roast",  a "Coke Classic" alternative to the New Coke-ness of Pike Place Blend.      It is the Starbucks Roast, after all, that has differentiated Starbucks from the very beginning.

Melody13
12/30/2008 8:26 PM

"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be made in a very narrow field. "

~~ Niels Bohr, (1885-1962) Danish physicist, won the 1922 Nobel Prize in Physics.  

"Since the launch of Pike Place Roast, Starbucks has become the true experts in the field of drip brewed and whole bean coffee."

~~ Downtown Seattle Melody

Momiji
1/1/2009 5:56 AM

/Quote/Hey Matt, maybe you and the great leaders of $tarbucks should re-read this thread:

mystarbucksidea.force.com/ideaView

Are any of these people "core customers"?/Quote/

Ditto!

I like the 30 minute hold time. I love BOLD coffees. As I said in another thread......there is NO reason you can't brew BOLD all day, everyday. Coffee is your specialty!

Also, I am sick of snotty attitudes from partners when I want bold. I was in Mobile, AL and went to SB in the morning and asked for a Venti Christmas Blend w/ quarter inch of room and how long ago it was brewed. The partner snotty and all said "just now" and I said look at the timer and tell me. He looked and it was 5 minutes. So I said ok Venti CB w/quarter inch room. He got the cup and went to fill it and low and behold there was like maybe an ounce of coffee left. So, I waited for a new batch. While waiting I was talking to the partners (store wasn't busy) and OMG their body language and eye rolls were flocking rude. Ohh the coffee is ready now so he poured it. I went to the condiment counter to ger some sugar in the raw. Took the lid off and there was like 3 INCHES OF ROOM! I went to him and said "I wanted a 1/4 inch of room" he filled a little bit and I looked and still like 2 inches of room. I said "1/4 inch of room" and he filled more. Finally, a Venti CB.

Hayley
1/2/2009 6:47 PM

Good quote Melody, and thank you for pointing out that quite a few of us are core customers, and I would like to include myself in that group being I am there 5-7 days a week.

And thanks MSI team for listening to us and looking into a way to provide us bold lovers with more options!

Melody13
1/4/2009 1:29 PM

I'd like to see Ms. Antalek return to her blog entry.  New menus went up just a couple of days ago, and in California, under Morning Pick, the menu says "Ask us what is brewing before noon."

In Seattle, that last sentence is NOT there.

My questions still are (i) how can I be a part of the core customers that you're listening to? (ii) What is the bold brewing plan for 2009? (iii) And, does the offering of bold coffee vary by region (I'm very curious now that I have seen two different menus.).

Many thanks in advance for your responses.

Yours truly,

Melody

Ian G
1/4/2009 1:40 PM

I am eagerly looking forward to vast improvements this year. Bold decaf is the main thing I want to see availability of. Beyond that, my local Starbucks was opened last year and customer attendance is way down since around Thanksgiving, probably due to lack of bold coffee and the economy.   Happy New Year to one and all and let's make it better!

danatello
1/4/2009 7:56 PM

What do we think about stores going against Starbux management and serving bold brews as they used to or as they choose to?

thetick76
1/5/2009 1:44 PM

I also miss having a different medium or mild roast and a bold roast to choose from whenever I walked into the store. Pikes Place isn't terrible, but it's not my favorite, and I miss the variety of getting to try different things when I went into the store. Offering a variety of brews is a good retail move because being able to sample different coffees helped me decide which pound of coffee to take home that week and drink between Starbucks visits.  Thank you for trying to figure out a way to bring back "coffee of the day" options. Like others on here, I am not sure where the difficulty lies. It seems like the stores used to have three brewing systems -- one for decaf, one for bold and one for a lighter brew. I am not sure why this system could not be employed now, or why Pikes Place has to be served every day. But I applaud the idea of offering single cup brewing, such as serving a customer a French Press to take to a table. I think that would be fun, and I do enjoy doing that at other coffee shops.

SDrezner
1/7/2009 8:13 AM

So, I've taken the time to read through the comments on bold coffee offerings after a long absence from the MSI site. I must agree with the majority of posts -- why does offering bold coffee throughout the day require so much research and testing? When Pike Place was introduced to appease the majority of Americans who enjoy bad coffee, why was it not simply added as an option? Why did it become the only option?

The very notion that you must research multiple options and seek different brewing methods shows that you are now simply trying to appease (I use that same word intentionally) your core customers.

It all comes down to this: If you want to be Dunkin' Donuts, then give me a $1.00 cup of coffee and one of those Top Pot Doughnuts you had in your stores for a brief period of time. Otherwise, fulfill your promise of going back to your roots and bring back the bold coffee without all the fuss!

@camspi
1/7/2009 11:28 AM

where is the action?!

@camspi
1/8/2009 1:16 AM

I will frequent other coffee shops in my area and all of them offer different selections.  

When I visit Jack in the Box or McDonalds, they only offer one blend.

The other coffee shops offer different blends because:

a) They are a specialty coffee shop (like we are!), not a hamburger joint!

b) The different blends allow customers to experience and explore all the different blends and origins they offer. With more variety, their sales for whole bean go up because their patrons are able to try different things.

c) More variety in coffee options allow the "core" coffee customer to drink what they prefer.

I still want to be the premier purveyor of the finest coffees in the world!

We should honor these (hard)CORE customers discriminating tastes.

kjminton
1/10/2009 6:56 PM

Melody

They were brewing Komodo Dragon today at 3:30pm when I went in to the licensed SBX closest to me. It is inside a grocery store. There does not seem to be the same problem in this area with brewing bold in the afternoons. My SBX does it several days a week, although not every day. I too like bold in the afternoon, heck, anytime of day for that matter. Please brew bold for Melody!

Kathy

Melody13
1/10/2009 9:22 PM

Kathy my friend, it really feels like I/we have been forgotten. It doesn't look like Ms. Antalek is coming back to this thread, and no Starbucks person has touched a number of these comments, including my direct questions posted here on January 4th.

Overall, Seattle is a good place to be for the Starbucks experience, but there are still problems here, and I truly believe that the problems are worse elsewhere in the country. Late this afternoon, I was getting one of the new Chai Infusions at a downtown Starbucks, and the customer before me was going through that whole spiel of "well, we can make you an Americano instead ..." I cringe when I hear that unpleasant dance.

Kathy maybe I should just leave MSI altogether. It makes me sad but if I can't make any difference, and I'm not a "core customer" what AM I doing here?

Nozkcb
1/11/2009 6:38 AM

I think based on the sheer number of comments in the various threads that your loyal customers want bold coffee options and that many are or have given up and are taking their money elsewhere (i.e. lower revenues),  is enough statistical data for you to figure this one out.  

Understanding that Starbucks is a business and decisions such as reducing the types of coffee offered during the day any maybe opting for something more generic tasting like Pikes Place (a.k.a. Dunkin Donuts bland-o) is an attempt to gain customers and reduce the cost associated to different coffee offerings (less waste, less shipping, lower cost of bean. . . . . ).  I get that but, what Starbucks doesn’t seem to get, is that it appears to not be working.    

If revenue is down since you’ve changed your coffee strategy (the one that made SB so successful at one time), maybe, just maybe, it’s because it’s not working and actually doing the exact opposite (remember NEW Coke?).  Hello?

So, here’s a crazy idea. . . . go back to what DID work.

Understanding that the economy is tight and every dollar counts, logic dictates that you give the people what they’re asking for and they’ll buy it.  I can tell you that if I had thousands of people begging for me to sell them something, I’d sell it them.  It’s pretty basic logic folks.  Bold coffee options all day is what your customer want you to offer so they can give you money. . . .  

Stop forcing your once happy and loyal customers away while continuing what is clearly a failed attempt to increase customer base and revenue.  Starbucks needs a "Plan B".

cardipup nailed it on the head.  A simple solution is rotate Bold coffee in smaller batches all day, every day.  See, easy.

muunkky
1/12/2009 3:18 PM

I am an engineer with a reasonable but high-tech solution. I have a design that falls somewhere between a clover and the regular brew process. What is the usual process for submitting such ideas?

Melody13
1/17/2009 8:28 PM

Starbucks have you just completely turned your back on the bold roast coffee drinkers? Ms. Antalek are you coming back to this thread? At about 6:30 this evening I walked into a Starbucks just outside the city of Seattle - the hours on the door show the store open until 9 p.m.  I walked up to the register holding my personal tumbler.  I asked what was on the brew.  A coffee master told me that he had "Pike Place Blend"  (that gave me a tiny cringe, but I moved on).  I just told him that I didn't like Pike. There was a pause. He offered me an Americano.  I said "no" and that I didn't want an Americano. It doesn't taste the same. There was a long pause. The coffee master just stared at me. I realized that it wasn't worth it to try and persuade him into brewing some coffee for me. I knew I'd have to go through a song and dance to explain why I just wanted drip brewed coffee, and frankly I'm exhausted of having to beg for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. I walked out, having purchased nothing at all.  That's weird for me to walk out of a Starbucks with no purchase. I will usually put up a fight to get a cup of coffee. I fear that you're just trying to get rid of your last few die-hard bold roast drip coffee drinkers. Oh my Siren. :-(

Breve
1/17/2009 8:51 PM

To my friend Melody,         Sorry,       :-(

Momiji
1/18/2009 8:19 AM

Hello Rachel........

Since you are not replying, I will assume you do not care.

Melody13
1/18/2009 8:44 AM

*[quote=Momiji]

Hello Rachel........

Since you are not replying, I will assume you do not care.

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Momiji, it's been almost a month since Ms. Antalek posted her blog entry and no sight of her since. I think you must be right.

Anonymous
1/18/2009 10:24 AM

Sbx has decided that my business is not worth their time.  Plain and simple.  People who don't know decent coffee are the ones who go to Dunkin Donuts and other purveyors of bitter, stained water.  If that is the market you want, then so be it.  But Sbx once had a hold on a completely different market and they've willingly and deliberately told that market that Sbx doesn't need their money.  Odd thing to do in this economy, move from one market where you are a leader to another more competitive one.  <p>

The crappy coffee market is flooded with competition but the good, decent, drinkable coffee market now has no leader and no one-stop shop to go to.  Sbx is nailing its own coffin shut.  How many stores were closed last year?  How many are going to be closed this year?<p>I've been boycotting Sbx for 6 months and plan on continuing to do so until Pike Place is no longer a daily, constant offering.  I go farther out of my way and spend more money per cup to get a decent blend at a local roaster rather than waste my money on Pike Place.  <p>Honestly, given the nearly universal (that I've seen and heard among friends and on the internet) failure of the PP all-day idea, I can't imagine how completely deaf the ears of Sbx are to their customers, and former customers.  <p>I'm giving up.  I held out some hope that they would see the error of their ways but I see no evidence here.  I'll just keep on driving past my local Starbucks and heading over to Freedom Of Espresso or SugarPearl to get some great coffee.  

Momiji
1/19/2009 6:19 PM

^^^Is that annonymous poster dkrst???  

Melody, it has been almost a month since she posted. Hello Rachel......where are you????????????????

Momiji
1/21/2009 2:32 AM

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Breve
1/23/2009 8:01 PM

Momiji, Maybe "Rachel" received a pink-slip.

Momiji
1/25/2009 7:43 AM

Hmmmmmm I wonder.  Also, sbx_grtl isn't around anymore.

Melody13
1/26/2009 12:41 PM

Breve and Momiji the situation has gotten WORSE and there are no more posts by Ms. Antalek because why would she want to come post here and say <i>"Melody we don't give a rat's ass about you or customers like you who really CARE about coffee. You’re just a nuisance complainer about coffee and Starbucks is not about the coffee anymore"</i>. They don't invite me to anything anymore and the reason is obvious - it's better NOT to hear what you don't want to hear.

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STARBUCKS IS PLAYING GAMES WITH US.

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They're pretending to have a sympathetic ear to the bold coffee drinkers all the while telling stores to NOT brew bold coffee. Guess what, I was just at my favorite downtown Seattle Starbucks which is a VERY BUSY store. I cannot cannot cannot believe it is not a high brew store. I just got told that they now are brewing the morning pick until noon only. Seriously,  baristas who know me very well told me this. I'm at lunch, have to be back in court at 1:30 and have to wait for bold coffee to brew.

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What a joke.   Grrrr. When my card runs out ... grrrrr.

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I'm pissed.

Melody13
1/26/2009 1:21 PM

Okay, well in retrospect maybe the tone of that last post was a bit too irate and nasty.  But seriously, if extremely busy downtown Seattle Starbucks stores are not able to sell drip coffee, something is wrong with the business. It's not a place where people go to connect over coffee. It's a fast-food place with a warm piadini.

Breve
1/26/2009 4:02 PM

Melody, just want to let you know I have read your above posts and I will refrain from commenting right now until I get my thoughts together! My comments probably don't mean a thing anyway! UGH!

Melody13
1/27/2009 6:02 AM

I posted this on another blog, but it's such a good post about how this is being handled and what would be compromise that I am re-posting it here:

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One group of posters here is full of apathy about this issue and doesn't see the [brew-on-demand] big deal. They're not very passionate about coffee - I mean drip brewed coffee,

The other group of posters is upset probably more for symbolic reasons than anything else. These words are what are important to them:

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Starbucks purchases and roasts high-quality whole bean coffees and sells them along with fresh, rich-brewed, Italian style espresso beverages, a variety of pastries and confections, and coffee-related accessories and equipment -- primarily through its Company-operated retail stores

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The apathetic group of contributors, I assume, don't remember a time when Starbucks thought that coffee was its core business product, and they probably don't remember baristas doing blind coffee tastings or regularly being able to discuss wash methods/ growing regions.

"Brew on demand" wouldn't be sooo awful if it didn't turn into an UGLY game sometimes. "Brew on demand" signals to baristas that it is okay to tell customers to (1) accept a substitute (an Americano or a french press or even worse (2) tell customers "we're out of coffee". Then you get into the ugly situation where a customer has to literally DEMAND that coffee be brewed and most customers will walk out the door before they get to that point.

^ If we could get rid of that game, I'd lose a lot of my steam on this topic. And no I do not want a french press.

What Starbucks should do is (1) go back to longer hold times so there is less waste - it worked for 20 years, why the hell did it suddenly not work in 2008? (2) change the name of "brew on demand" to "We will OFFER to brew it for you, even if I have to rip open a flavor lock bag of coffee"* and (3) give more than lip-service to the idea that coffee is the core product.

But APATHY is a lot easier, and those who are filled with apathy love to sit back and make fun of people who have some passion for coffee. Pour your heart into it?

And as an aside, no wonder the roasting plants have been laying off people ... you can't sell whole bean coffee if you're not talking about it, not brewing, not about the coffee.

You still have a ton of customers who want Starbucks to "be about the coffee" - That's a repeating message over and over again at MSI.

*Maybe Starbucks should call it "the immediate coffee offering" - Those are better words and signal to the baristas the right VERB. It would work better if when I walk into a Starbucks I'd hear, "Hi, ma'am our 'afternoon immediate coffee offering' is Verona. It will just take a couple of minutes - no longer than waiting for an Americano. Let me get that started." Ahhh that would be almost a dream come true for me. Yes, this is a good name for it, a better compromise: It's the "immediate coffee offering" and not "brew on demand." I hate spending longer arguing about getting a cup of coffee than it actually takes to brew it.

Momiji
1/27/2009 5:46 PM

Starbucks COFFEE........OMG what a concept! It's in the name yet you just can't get it.

Tell me Starbucks, if you went into a burger joint and couldn't get a burger.......would you be upset????? Don't you get it????? You specialize in COFFEE. Why can't you brew COFFEE all day every day? Wouldn't it be AWESOME to showcase your AWESOME BOLD YUMMY COFFEES??????????

scottdenney
2/2/2009 1:05 PM

Starbucks needs to revert back to the way they served coffee before this silly little experiment began.  Instead of sticking with the basics, Starbucks has created its own problems with its service when it brought out PPR and eliminated bold in the afternoon.  I understand that stock price and profits are down, but blindly changing things is not only foolish, its desperate and can only lead to more mistakes down the road.  Need proof?  How many more Starbucks are being closed soon?  I haven't seen any of the other coffee vendors laying off workers.

Its not all that difficult.  If Starbucks is losing money on bold in the afternoon due to reduced sales volume, then increase the price of bold.  Don't make it a hassle for your customers, make it easy for them, even if those customers in question are only 10% of your overall customer base.  Would Starbucks be content to have it's business drop by 10%?  I doubt it.  So service that group as well or lose it over time.

Its business 101.  Quit screwing around with a formula that satisfied your customer base and grew your business.  Starbucks is not a pastry shop.  Its not an energy drink shop.  Its not a book store, music store, breakfast bar, etc.  Starbucks is first and foremost a coffee shop.  Play with that basic essential at your brand's peril.

French press is not an alternative, Americano is not an alternative and waiting for bold to be brewed in the afternoon when time is precious is becoming less and less of an alternative.  Seriously, if Starbucks keeps playing with the core basics of their business instead of providing the service they are known for, then they become just another coffee shop in a sea of cheaper, faster and more consistent alternatives.  You sell coffee.  Make coffee, the bold, the medium and the mild.  Get back to work or close up shop and let someone else fill the void.

Momiji
2/3/2009 7:43 AM

Where's the results on the favorite brewed coffee?

Momiji
2/4/2009 12:30 PM

I guess we aren't thought of as CORE CUSTOMERS.

Melody13
2/4/2009 1:15 PM

I know Momiji I know.  I know. It's been a long while since any Idea Partner came back to this blog entry and dusted off some cobwebs.

msi_sea
2/4/2009 7:25 PM

Wow! No response, still?!

Amazing. This company just doesn't care about it's customers!

birddog
2/5/2009 6:22 PM

Why don't you guys admit that you want to morph into some kind of new age McDonald's and forget about quality coffee? Soon, people will forget that you were ever about coffee and just buy a cup somewhere else. I am so, sooo fortunate to have a Batdorf & Bronson coffee house near me. Those guys do coffee!

8cents
2/5/2009 9:42 PM

These comments are making me think I should just dump my SBUX at a $25 loss and give up all hope. Peet's is way overtaking Starbucks in many metro locations while meanwhile Starbucks is shutting down. When are they going to wake up and smell the bold coffee?

Momiji
2/9/2009 2:29 PM

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Momiji
2/10/2009 2:05 PM

When can Starbucks admit they made a mistake with PPR? Why does Starbucks cling to PPR so much?

@camspi
2/17/2009 2:59 AM

hey, the problem still exists, starbucks.  there's even another thread which reveals ppr is the least favorite brewed coffee.

why are we not fixing this yet?

the solution is very simple.

have variety.

Momiji
2/18/2009 6:53 AM

Did Rachel get the boot?

Momiji
2/25/2009 10:11 AM

Hellooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Momiji
3/7/2009 1:57 AM

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Momiji
3/18/2009 7:36 PM

Hi, not trying to be rude here but where the hell is the conversation about this from the SBX_????


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